Hes not a face of the NFL by any means, but almost 200 touchdown passes and three Pro Bowls at age 30 is nothing to sneeze at. See Photos. ), 2) There's a very thin difference in time between sports fans who remember Jack Patera, Seahawks head coach better (and think of Ken as Jack's brother)or remember Ken Patera, Olympic and (and more notably) pro wrestler better (and think of Jack as Ken's brother). This year that backwards discussion is centered around former Pittsburgh signal-caller, Kenny Pickett. WebFor many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. Its buildings are now libraries, churches, and apartments in a small-town historic district. Dave Krieg went to Milton College in Wisconsin. [11] Krieg came off the bench and ignited a dynamic offense showcasing the talents of running back Barry Sanders and wide receiver Herman Moore. Sports betting operators have no influence over nor are any such revenues in any way dependent on or linked to the newsrooms or news coverage. Did our Marvin49 just get featured in a niner nation article? Sports Reference His average-sized hands never betrayed him. Krieg signed with the Chiefs in March of 1992. And Favres hands are a semi-gigantic 1013 inches from thumb to pinkie. Then Mitchell finished the year on fire, and everyone was like, "Hey, maybe this will work after all!". But the career leader in quarterback fumbles is none In reply to I remember Kelly Stouffer as by Joey-Harringto. Patera tried to fine players half of their game checks for the gesture, which would have cost Zorn $9,000. But he has been the frontman for one of the NFLs more successful teams of late, and he does bring consistency to the table. Krieg played brilliantly in the wild card round of the playoffs, helping his team rout Steve DeBerg and the Broncos in the Kingdome. As someone who started following the league at near the end of Kreig's prime, I didn't really have a good feel for his career arc. So Knox built an offense out of deep strikes to Largent and Turner, touch passes to Largent, and lots of swing passes to fullback types. It was the later-mentioned Steve Deberg at the helm that game. Although the Seahawks managed only a 79 record, Krieg played well enough to earn a return trip to the Pro Bowl, where he performed impressively, helping lead the AFC to victory.[23]. I'm fuzzy on the details, but I have fond memories of his days in Miami, even though I mostly remember him in Kansas doing his thing for the Chiefs. Still, I was surprised to see trips formations, multiple personnel groupings, and lots of early-down passing from Krieg and Knox. Dave Krieg played in 12 postseason games (9 as a starter), and completed 51.1 percent of his passes (144 for 282) for 1,895 passing yards, 11 touchdowns, 10 interceptions and a 70.86 rating. Meanwhile, in St. Louis, former Colorado State quarterback Kelly Stouffer held out for a full year after the Cardinals selected him sixth overall in the 1987 draft. In reply to How dare you besmirch the by Ambientdonkey. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. Ranking every NFL team's 2023 draft class from 32 (sorry, 49ers) to 1 (whoa, Colts), 13 Winners (Bill Belichick!) This was back when teams would occasionally play teams outside their division twice in a season. Must be 21 or older to gamble. How much better he was is a matter of debate: five finishes among the top 5 in DVOA for Romo suggest that they are close. Many years later, Lions tackle Lomas Brown admitted that he got "gator arms" on the guy he was blocking because he was wanted Mitchell out of the game. Krieg took a seven-step drop on the very first play from scrimmage and launched a bomb to rookie receiver Daryl "Deep Heat" Turner for an 80-yard touchdown. Makes sense that it's hard to play QB when you can't throw to one side of the field. "I figured I had gone too far now, so I just kept going. He finished fifth in passing DVOA behind Dan Fouts, Marino, Joe Montana, and Joe Theismann. WebDave Krieg was probably the 12th best QB in the NFL in his era behind Montana, Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Esiason, Kosar, OBrien, Simms, Lomax, and Cunningham. Stroud, Mike Tanier's Final Three-Round Mock Draft, Things to Do While Waiting for Aaron Rodgers. As an aside, I won a FF championship with him as my starter for half a season during his Chicago year. Knox resigned. [7], By the middle of the 1981 season, Krieg overtook Sam Adkins on the depth chart to become the Seahawks' second-string quarterback. By this point, "small hands" had been added to "played for a college that no longer exists" in Krieg's short-form resume, and he's still third (behind Brett Favre and Warren Moon) on the all-time fumble list. Labor disputes! "We went out for pre-game warm-ups and I didn't know if it would be Sam Adkins or myself. WebDavid Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). He appeared in two other games, going 3-of-3 for 57 yards in relief during a 44-14 blowout of Cincinnati and going 1-of-2 for 3 yards in a loss to the Jets. The absence of Warner, who tore an ACL in the 1984 season opener, had a lot to do with the change. He went 1-of-8 for 2 yards, three sacks, and one interception in the first half of a Week 8 against the Steelers, who were without Jack Lambert on defense and Terry Bradshaw on offense. However, Krieg and Seahawks offense were overwhelmed by the aggressive defense of the L.A. "We don't want him looking over his shoulder to see if every time he makes a mistake we're warming up Dave Krieg," Knox said. David Krieg. Somehow, Knox resisted the urge to insert the towel boy at quarterback, and the Seahawks pulled out of a team-wide meltdown to win five straight games and nearly reach the playoffs. Does anyone else question Geno's leadership and accountability cred? "People talk about the arm strength of quarterbacks," said Seahawks quarterback coach Ken Meyer in a Krieg profile during the 1984 playoffs. I remember thinkingat the time that having to watch Stouffer lead Seahawks offense over and over again must be one of the punishments sinners endure in hell. As it turns out, hands under nine inches arent "He was doing a great job moving the team up and down the field. Then Krieg got benched in favor of Gilbert in the fourth quarter of the same game. "Dave was in the zone", McNair explained. Exclusive Premium Content For Subscribers. With Seattle he was 70-49, Krieg also had six seasons where he lead his team to the playoffs and posted a playoff record of 3-6. [24] Despite having an outstanding defense in 1992, their overall record of 214 (.125) remains the worst in franchise history. Really liked him a lot except for those small hands. But Krieg produced 21 points in 11 minutes, nearly leading a comeback in a 27-21 loss. But then I looked up Steve DeBerg's stats, and it turns out his Kansas City years were pretty damn good: 3 straight top-10 passing DVOA finishes for a perennial playoff contender. You would think that that wouldve precluded Brady from throwing 624 touchdowns and winning seven Super Bowls somewhere along the way. Reply . Late in the 1992 season, I think it was against the Steelers, the recording ended early, like at the end of the 3rd quarter. -Kelly Stouffer is one of the greatest draft mysteries to me ever. That was an ancient DeBerg who came in late in the season in relief of an injured Marino and did a bang-up job. OK, the surprise game-opening bomb was a pretty standard tactic for run-oriented playcallers. This logic certainly has some merit. I never saw any of Krieg's good Seahawks seasons, and I never really saw Curt Warner or Steve Largent play, but I knew who they were because they were a pretty awesome trio in the original Techmo Bowl. -Deberg, a decent QB in his own right, is the king of Hall of Fame backups. Please check your email for a confirmation. WebCheckout the latest stats for Dave Krieg. Milton College closed in 1982, while Krieg was still dueling with Zorn. Krieg returned and led the Seahawks to a 3-1 record down the stretch. In reply to Have for years merged Dave by MilkmanDanimal. Mirer and Bledsoe shared Rookie of the Year honors. ', and I said, 'I guess I do now.'". (Everyone, or at least most males born in the first half of the 1970s after 1970-1971, also rememberBobby "The Brain" Heenan was Ken Patera's manager.). To their credit, Knox and Meyer turned back to Krieg as soon as he was healthy. On the other hand, ultra-conservative coaches love gutsy field general-types like Krieg. There's something oddly poetic about Dave Krieg giving up a record number of sacks in a game, then scrambling around to barely avoid giving up an 8th sack, and then winning the game with an improbable long touchdown pass. David Michael Krieg (born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. Krieg came to rely on fullback John L. Williams after Largent retired that season. "With a three-day growth of beard and hair that hung almost to his collar, [Krieg] hardly looked like the hero type," wrote columnist Bob Smizik, bringing some heavy get-off-my-lawn energy to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Keenum, on the other hand, has a grand total ofoneseason (2017) where his passing DVOA wasn't below average or worse. See Photos. Kramer suffered a back injury, and Krieg went on to start 12 games. Similar to Carr, no one will confuse Garoppolo for an All-Pro. ", https://www.footballoutsiders.com/almanac/historical-archive. Thanks for the links! One footnote: Gale Gilbert has one other distinction other than being awful - being on the roster for five straight Super Bowl losses. Knox announced a quarterback change a few days later. Nicknamed "Mudbone" by his Seattle teammates,[17] Krieg led the Seahawks on five-game winning streak to finish the season, during which his passer rating exceeded 126. 1996. [31] Statistically, Krieg's performance was inconsistent: his passer rating ranged from subpar (4 games below 60) to mediocre (2 games in the 60s) to good (3 games in the 80s and 90s) to outstanding (3 games over 100). [32], Dave Krieg finished his career with the Tennessee Oilers, backing up the seldom-injured Steve McNair in 1997 and 1998. WebIn a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. But Krieg was Kryptonite for southpaw quarterbacks, and he had one last quarterback controversy left in him. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com. Damn. Krieg's Bears success earned him a two-year stint behind Steve McNair for Jeff Fisher's Oilers/Titans. WebDave Krieg As a professional athlete, he has represented various famous NFL teams like- Seattle Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs, Detriot Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears , He attended Milton College and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. He kept his turnovers, sacks, and fumbles down, finishing 11th in DVOA and 12th in DYAR, stunning figures for a 38-year-old whose weapons were Curtis Conway (not bad), early-career Bobby Engram (OK), Michael Timpson, fullbacks Tony Carter and Raymont Harris, and tight end Ryan Wetnight (yikes). Krieg and the Seahawks had a down year in 1985. His play ranged from awful (2 games with passer ratings below 15) to mediocre (5 games in the 50s and 60s) to good (4 games in the 70s, 80s, or 90s) to brilliant (5 games with ratings over 100). All-Pro Steve Largent missed several games because of a fractured elbow. Things weren't going well. Krieg finished eighth in DYAR despite only playing half a season. WebSmall hands.. the anti Russell hands. WebDave Krieg recovers the botched snap, rolls out, and throws for a touchdown on 4th and Goal. Krieg would have another weak game, throwing an interception and fumbling in his own end zone in a 34-7 loss to the Bengals. Does anyone else remember the Cortez Kennedy commercial? Krieg suffered a thumb injury in the 1991 season opener, leading to even more Kemp and Stouffer. Thanks for pointing that out. He threw three touchdowns, two of them to Largent, in a blowout victory over the Browns in the season finale. I loaded up a video of the 1984 Seahawks' Week 13 victory over the Broncos to watch as part of my prep for this article. Krieg was completely immobile at this point. 3) The Seahawks had the Jets' number in their early expansion years, winning their first 7 games against New York and not losing to the Jets from their founding in 1976 until the 1985 season. But Fitzpatrick only finished in the top 10 in DVOA once, in 2018. He was benched after throwing four interceptions against the Chiefs the following week; rookie backup Gale Gilbert came on and threw a fifth. He attended Milton College in his home state of Wisconsin and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. Tiny hands! DeBerg went 40 of 58 for 539 yards the next two games to beat New England and Dallas, the eventual SB winner, in the Leon Lett game. Gaddini sent the Seahawks "a couple of canisters of film," in Krieg's words, and Krieg boarded an airplane for the first time in his life to travel to Seattle for a tryout. Defends its Crown, 2022 Failed Completions: Justin Herbert Aims for the Record, XFL Week 6 Preview: Houston and D.C. in a Prime-Time Special, Lomas Brown admitted that he got "gator arms", the famous game-winner against the Chiefs, Playoff Previews (previously Game Previews). It was a callback to when Krieg replaced Zorn against the Steelers a decade earlier. Given the litany of stars who have entered the league since Carr started his professional career in 2014, it can be easy to forget this Raiders mainstay. He passed away in 2018. Kriegby then nearly 40 years oldcame off the bench to rally the Oilers to victory, going 7-of-13 for 129 yards. Krieg bounced back a bit in 1986, and the Seahawks started the season 5-2. "John Elway is a fellow who can really drill the ball Dave's arm probably isn't as strong but he gets the ball there and he's right on target, and that's the most important thing, isn't it?". Our final Legends of DVOA installment looks at the two-decade career of Dave Krieg, a Krieg started his career as a seventh-string quarterback at a level of competition one step up from intramurals. WebIts true that he once led the NFL in fumbles due to his small hands. He wouldn't make his retirement official until 2000 after no takers emerged for his services. He was impressing coaches and teammates with his ability to fire tight spirals into the wind. Dave Krieg. Ryan Fitzpatrick with Buffalo in2011 kind of fits that mold, but Ryan Fitzpatrick has his own unique layers to his story. But after Krieg went 6-of-16 for 26 yards and five sacks in a Week 8 loss to the Broncos, Knox turned the starting job over to Gilbert, who had gone undrafted out of Cal in 1985. Jim Zorn had been the Seahawks quarterback since the team's inception, a lefty gunslinger and beloved local hero who triggered a pass-happy offense for the era. Krieg would feel his absence, throwing more interceptions (20) than touchdowns (15) in 1990. He didn't get many opportunities to impress recruiters, so he ended up at Milton College, a tiny NAIA program located southeast of Madison. He saw the field only once, taking a few snaps with two incompletions in the final game in 1980,[6] the Seahawks' ninth straight loss in a disappointing 412 season in which they lost all eight home games. And so a quarterback controversy was born. Dave Krieg. Head coach Mike Holmgren said of Krieg, "I always wanted him to play for me, but he was way too expensive every year. However, operating behind a porous offensive line, Krieg had another inconsistent year. Krieg worked his way up the depth chart and became the Wildcats' starter. Krieg and the Seahawks suffered another midseason swoon in 1989. Went to the now-defunct Milton College. [43], He was inducted into the Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor in 2004.[17]. There are a few things you should know about Seattle quarterback Dave Krieg, the NFLs top-rated passer after two weeks. It's a matter of doing what's right (for the team). Heck, Krieg owes most of the last seven years of his career to defense-oriented coaches and their obsession with veteran caretakers. I moved to the Seattle area in 1983-84 and vividly remember the Zorn vs. Krieg debates. "[Krieg] got 21 points on the board for us," he said. Krieg (as you mentioned)was awesome down the stretch, Herman Moore was emerging as a star, and Barry Sanders was having one of his signature seasons. On a team with a moron GM. In the last two years where the 49ers qualified for the postseason (2019 and 2021), they won four playoff games with Garoppolo as their starter. Of course I remember him. Even though he wasn't playing by the time the Truly one of the most miserably bad games of all time. I have no idea what force convinced me to type Ripon not Milton, but MILTONis CORRECT! Parts of his story"seventh-string" quarterbacks, canisters of film, Plan B free agency, general managers stepping in as coaches, quarterback controversies that last multiple seasons and don't end with epic tradesbarely make sense anymore. good grief How can you forget a dude who had 108 fumbles and 148 interceptions in 119 starts for this team? Rhome did not mince words when talking about his two quarterbacks in an AP story which ran on August 3, 1982. Gannett may earn revenue from sports betting operators for audience referrals to betting services. Of course his performance in December was the real Mitchell, but that didnt stop the Lions. Someone even wrote a book about it that was the partial basis for an ESPN 30 for 30 of the same name. It closed in 1982. That game against the Chiefs in KC where he was sacked 8 or 9 times but got the game winning TD pass to Skansi. Have for years merged Dave Krieg and Steve DeBerg together into fusion of the ultimate 80s journeyman QB, Stave KrieBerg. [26] Two weeks later, at the AFC Championship Game in Buffalo, Montana sustained a concussion and left the game in the third quarter. In the offseason, the Chiefs signed Joe Montana and made him their starting quarterback. Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. Anyway, the Seahawks traded three draft picks, including a 1989 first-rounder, for the rights to Stouffer. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1988 season. Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. The Seahawks were considered by many to be the preseason AFC favorites in 1987, but the Seahawks reverted to their more inconsistent form and ended up sneaking into the playoffs and losing in the wild-card round. How he not only went 6th overall, but had the audacity to hold out and force a trade (and it worked! Have you bought the book with the best of Mike's first 12 years or so writing for Football Outsiders? In reply to Great work, Mike by billycurley. and the Quarterback who didn't know how to adjust his chin strap properly it always ended up under his nose. Although Kramer's poor play contributed to the Bears' feeble 13 beginning, Coach Dave Wannstedt allowed him to continue starting until an injury sidelined him for the remainder of the season. BackCAST 2023: Is Zach Charbonnet Overrated? He was on the radio just recently. In reply to I remember when 44 year old by vrao81. WebQuarterback controversies! There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. More posts you may like. Scroll down on this page to "A Good Walkthrough Spoiled. Together, Montana and Krieg led the Chiefs to an 115 record and an AFC West Championship. Krieg replaced the trio of Steve Beuerlein, Jay Schroeder, and Jim McMahon as Ryan sought the ultimate plucky, seasoned handoff machine. Wide receiver Steve Largent had just emerged as the team's first true star. -The link to the Jets game is the wrong link. [19], During the offseason, the Seahawks acquired Kelly Stouffer from the Phoenix Cardinals, and began to groom him as the franchise quarterback of the future.[20]. True to form, Krieg enjoyed a late-season hot streak: 14 touchdowns, just three interceptions, and a second-place finish in DVOA behind Steve Young.

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