Music playing in my head again for the first time in months. flow1979 2 yr. ago. If you've read any of my posts about hormones, you probably already know by now how little faith I have in most general doctors when it comes to properly addressing underlying hormonal deficiencies and imbalances. If I kept my AI dosage constant like that during a cycle (by cycle I mean a blast phase of a supraphysiological amount of highly aromatizing hormones), my experience would more than likely start out with me feeling symptoms of low estrogen, followed by symptoms of high estrogen later in the cycle once my level of aromatization had surpassed the inhibitory capacity of that particular dosage of AI. Doc prescribed me 0.25mg Anastrozole 3x a week after blood work came back with good test levels but high oestradiol. I was told the body recognises steroids as if they're testosterone, so the body 'thinks' it has enough testosterone, so stops production. Generally, the low end of a blast is around 300mg per week. Most normal otherwise healthy men who have low serum levels due to age related decline and exhibit symptoms don't need 200 mg a week. Here are my starting and current numbers Reference: Total T(348-1197) Free T(4.7-24.4) Heres an example of what Im talking about: Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. My question, do any of you guys run 200mg/week without an AI? You could even get away with only 250iu's of HCG which would at least help with some e2. Either way is a lose lose. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. Electing for a weaker AI in that scenario would be wise, and starting with a very conservative amount of it. my TRT is also 150 mg per week, and I literally only need to use 12.5 mg of Aromasin once a week to keep my Estrogen in the sweet spot. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. If I wanted to keep my I have days where I feel like an absolute king and then I have days where I feel worse than when I started trt. The goal you should have is to keep your Estrogen between 20-30 pg/ml for the entirety of your cycle, regardless of what dosage of AI is necessary to achieve that. Your not a pro level figure competitor so most probably need to train normally. Subscribe and get my 20 Underground Bodybuilding Secrets You Wont Find On Google E-Book 100% FREE. But you for sure need to have an AI on hand just in case you If you start to get too far below this level, you can start to experience symptoms of low Estrogen. Is it necessary? On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. We won't share your information with anyone. 200mg I really dont need any anti-e's unless Im reversing some sensitive nipples from a big cycle before. WebMost people on TRT do not need AIs. I do feel really strange to have needed treatment like this at such a young age, but my body's had a hard life I suppose with my history. This is the point Im trying to drive home with this article. 193.227.116.28 E.G. I dont want gyno. Weeks 1-6 40mg/day Dbol (split throughout day) Weeks 7-12 100mg/eod Trenbolone. 32 years old. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. In the case of this cycle, there are 2 heavily aromatizing compounds in there for the first 4 weeks (Test E and Dbol). At the start of your cycle, these drugs are just entering your blood and havent even reached saturation levels, yet, a predetermined dose of Arimidex is being used to combat aromatization that may not even need addressing at the time, and that same predetermined dose is used later in the cycle where the amount of aromatization will be vastly different. I can run 200mg per week with no AI but if I add HCG then my e2 skyrockets which will cause libido issues. Generally, the jobs AI algorithms can do are tasks that require human intelligence to complete, such as pattern and speech recognition, image analysis, and Reply [deleted] Additional comment actions Id want it separate as well. For more information, please see our I'd appreciate some feedback, especially from those of you with experience running NPP. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. Started 200 mg Test C/week three weeks ago. Your IP: Even with high testosterone levels, you can still experience ALL of the unwanted side effects of out of range estrogen levels if they are too high or low. Curious on thoughts. And MAYBE winstrol. I was planning on adding .5 mg E3D starting with the week 3 injection, which was today, but I'm interested to see what others are running at 200 mg Test/week. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Web65 comments. After seeing where your Estrogen levels lie, you can decide what dose of AI, and which AI is appropriate to combat those symptoms. 200 mgs per week is too high to start out with on TRT. But the strange thing is that as I continued to feel better and my diet and weight's gotten easier and easier to maintain (I'm really not that hungry on average anymore and had decent energy levels until about 8 months ago), I kept feeling worse and worse and my exercise recovery in particular got worse and worse. At the 200mg dose of testosterone, you most likely will not need any AI. Stupid question if you have to ask it. Privacy Policy. Typically, most men feel their best when their estrogen levels lie between 20-30 pg/ml in their blood work. 350mg to 450mg NPP per week should yield some nice results. Question whether SARMS will help me or not. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Week 1-12 500mg/week Testosterone Cypionate (Mon/Thur at 250mg), 0.5mg/day Arimidex. When used for this purpose, Arimidex is typically introduced in week two of the cycle and taken for the entire length of the cycle at 0.5mg twice a week. I feel just right. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. I've been on both 125mg and 150mg dosage to experiment with. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I can certainly bump up the test if I need to but have read that keeping test at 200mg/wk. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I've been on TRT for around 5 months now. ib00sti 2 yr. ago. 125mg is sweet spot for most people and don't need AI with that said, you should still verify with bloodwork since everybody is different. And not only that, he was on 1 mg per day. So, it should be pretty obvious by now that there is a vastly different amount of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle. I did experiment with SARMs about 6 months ago, after I got bloodwork done just before I did that and my natural levels were basically more or less identical to what you see above. Best. WebMy doctor prescribed me 200mg of test and 1mg of anastrozole , split every 3.5 days. If you are getting more than 200 mg per week, that is getting into gray area IMO. I was prescribed 1 MG Anastrozole E3D, which I thought was excessive, especially since my pre-TRT bloods had my Estradiol at <6.0. Start with a reasonable AI dose, maybe half a mg eod and after a few weeks, maybe a month, get blood work and really understand what's happening inside your body brotha, By ftfaaa in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By ben01 in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By karimsins in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By Actionman in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, Need help knowing whether i should take arimidex with 200mg of test cypionate, Evolutionary.org Steroids Research Forums. WebFor eg starting with 200:200 mg per week. WebCurrent dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. It seems that AI usage has become so commonplace that users dont even bother to understand the purpose of the drug in the first place prior to implementing it into their regimen. Then, for the next 8 weeks hes completely off of Dbol and adds in Anavar at the end for 4 weeks. Both scenarios are very unpleasant to say the least. and our IMO its not worth itstay healthy and be glad your Dr. is allowing .8ml farrago November 13, 2013, 6:40pm 12 Common symptoms of high estrogen include: These are all quite unpleasant side effects, and it isnt uncommon to experience several of them at once if your estrogen levels remain too high or low. would be offset by the bad. Second cycle you could bump up the test to 400 or 500 mg per week and still see nice gains. Go onto Excelmale or the Scan this QR code to download the app now. Is there anyone who is on 250mg per week and experiences no major side effects, bloat or moon face? This guy was literally on the second strongest Aromatase Inhibitor there is, for a dosage of Testosterone that just keeps his Test levels at high-normal. Cyp and Enanth. Scan this QR code to download the app now. If you have any of the traditional symptoms of high estrogen or low estrogen, you should first and foremost get blood work with a sensitive assay test to see where your estrogen levels lie. At this point I've gotten regular bloodwork and seen a really good PCP for years and I have a healthy lifestyle. Zero health issues whatsoever, knock on wood. This is EXACTLY why when you are utilizing a drug that aromatizes into Estrogen and an AI may become necessary, you get baseline blood work, and then when you add an AI in, you use a very conservative dose of the most mild and forgiving AI there is (depending on what/how much aromatizing hormones you're using), and titrate up accordingly based on your blood work until you've reached the Estrogen sweet spot (or based on symptoms which is the bro method which is not recommended). Recent bloodwork collected 09-Sep-2020. As you titrate up your dose, monitor your side effects and add in the AI if needed. Ur better off doing it more often to keep a steady blood plasma level. So, if theres not as much test circulating in his system as it hasnt fully built up yet, there wont be as much Estrogen in his system. Thanks!! Alot of docs dont understand Testosterone. It isnt rocket science, however, many users seem to have completely neglected to comprehend why they are using an AI in the first place, and what purpose it serves. If so how do you feel on it? Would lowering the ai maybe help, or even just getting off of it and using it when I get high E2 symptoms work? My luteinizing hormone in my pre-TRT bloodwork was 5.2 mIU/mL (ref range 1.7-8.6), seems to have been an issue with the testes. Performance & security by Cloudflare. Increasing stoicism and lack of interest in hobbies. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 5, 2021 You need to determine how you react and aromatize so you can dial in your aromatase inhibitor needs. I cant even count how many times Ive seen a guy propose his entire cycle layout asking for feedback, and for some strange reason his AI dose is already determined prior to the cycle, and stays constant for the entire duration of the cycle despite other changes in aromatizing compounds occurring during the cycle. As others have said, .8 ml of 200mg test is the upper end of SAFE trt. while having a potential 2 week ester, are more effective when administered more often. Week 8-12: Anavar 50 mg per day. Privacy Policy. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. So, basically, if he knows what the point of having Arimidex is in a cycle, you would think hed realize the point of Arimidex is to keep your Estrogen in check. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go from there. It's much healthier. Cookie Notice So, the key to staying in the sweet spot is getting your blood work done, and adjusting your AI dose accordingly based upon your current Aromatase Inhibitor needs. Here are my starting and current numbers, Reference: Total T(348-1197) Free T(4.7-24.4) E2(25.8-60.7) SHBG(10-80), Starting 07/26: 543ng/dl 13.43ng/dl 43.2pg/ml 25nmol/L, Current 09/06: 1455ng/dl 47.41ng/dl 31.8pg/ml 19nmol/L. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. So, if there is differing amounts of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle, as well as saturation levels increasing at different rates and heavily aromatizing compounds being swapped in and out of the cycle, does it make sense to be using the exact same dose of Aromatase Inhibitor for the entirety of this cycle? However, if you understand how these drugs work in the first place, you will understand there is a compounding effect with everything, and they take several weeks to fully saturate in your system. After the anastrozole, symptoms have calmed down and I hold way less water on my frame too. If this is your first visit, please REGISTER. Then, after actually getting on TRT, another challenge often rears its ugly head, and that is Estrogen control, and how to go about doing it safely and most effectively. 50mgs or even 100mgs E4 days will work very well. How can you expect to keep your Estrogen levels in the sweet spot with a predetermined dosage of your Aromatase Inhibitor? My plan was to come off right about now and use the Torem I bought for WebMany men can take 200mg or more per week without need for an AI. /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. Look closer, from week 1-12 the guy has proposed that he will be using 0.5 mg per day of Arimidex. If your Estrogen is too high, then you need to slightly increase your AI dose, or switch to a stronger one and start the titration process over again. When I initially started TRT: Immediate mental benefits. I wouldn't need that much of an Aromatase Inhibitor even if I was on 5x as much Testosterone as he is on per week. First was 500 mg test cyp per week and 50 mg Anavar per week. "Mental energy" is what I would call it. Firstly it's a little concerning that an MD would prescribe stuff with obviously no real knowledge of endocrinology, buuuuut I'll take rx test from whoever lol. I've never used one before and don't have any symptoms at the moment such as itchy nipples etc. Spicy/painful nipples and severe water retention first week or two, which quickly went away (I do have leftover gyno from puberty - I was obese during puberty and most of my life). The dosage is split up 2x week. Disclaimer: The information included in this article is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. Keep in mind, Arimistane is the only over the counter Aromatase Inhibitor on that list, the other three are Rx AI's, and can only be obtained via a prescription from your doctor and should only be used under the direction of your doctor. Id put those low dose cycles against almost anything for a guy looking to get shredded and You can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a 'n00b' cycle, and most people will gain maybe a pound of real LBM a week on that. A heavier cycle might be e.g. 500mg test 300mg tren, which is equivalent to 2g test/week. Dont be messing with bloods while your doctor gets you dialed in. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple of points over the recommended limit), so it looks like I need a AI. Run that for 12 weeks and then PCT. Week 1-12: Arimidex 0.5 mg per day. Cycle #4 40-60mg/day Anavar, 300mg/wk Primo, 300 mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. 250mg test e per week is a high cruise or mini blast but you shouldnt need an ai unless you aromatase tons. Nowadays, AIs are treated almost as on-cycle essentials, and are simply a necessity just like your multivitamin you pop each day is. Depending on where you live, getting prescribed TRT for insufficient natural Testosterone production is a challenge in itself (many doctors will tell a 21 year old they are fine and healthy even if their blood work indicates their Testosterone is equivalent to the normal of an 80 year old geezer). By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This is what made the Mast effect on my lipid panel so pronounced. WebNew Bloodwork on 200mg/week. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. My E2 on 150mg/week usually hovered around 30-40. I made a post not too long ago about taking an AI only instead of directly pinning myself, where I learned that will cause more harm than good. E.G. If these symptoms go away and your sex drive is perfect, you have no erectile dysfunction issues, etc. I've experimented with different diets, but none of it's really objectively made much of a difference, other than the keto diet which destroyed my recovery because I did it properly and maintained therapeutic ketosis, which meant restricting protein. This is far less likely to happen with the weaker AIs like Arimistane and Aromasin, but it is very common with Arimidex and Letrozole. The usage requirements of Aromatase Inhibitors while on SARMs will greatly differ from that of traditional aromatizing Steroids as well, which needs to be taken into consideration if that's what you are using. Long story short, you cant, unless you have been using the exact same compound for a very long period of time and have definitively concluded via blood work what dosage of that particular compound equates to a particular level of Estrogen aromatization in the body. and our This coming Saturday will be 3 weeks. Hello everyone. - Proper protocols should not be exceeding more than 200 mg of testosterone cypionate per week. Is it safe to wait until sides develop before adding it? Past two weeks: Massive increase in strength, endurance, and recovery. That was WITH me taking HCG. Original bloodwork collected 08-Jul-2020. WebPrimo can be run in lower dosages (200mg - 500mg) but really has a fantastic effect when bumped up past 600+ mg a week. Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. Also taking 2 mgs of adex a week is also way too much to start with. Fucking sucks. If so, how much? I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go I figured my E2 was climbing so I took .25 anastrozole which did nothing for ED or libido. These bloods were taken with no AI. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Using a predetermined dosage for your AI simply makes zero sense. probably aromatase due to inactivity, diet, excessive For some 120 mg per week puts some people at 1500. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Would I need an AI for a 300mg test cycle? It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 12, 2020 #11 I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple Cookie Notice For more information, please see our Deca at 200mg to 300mg per week will prove highly effective [deleted] 2 yr. ago You may, or you may not. Week 14-16: Nolvadex 40 mg per day. However, it isnt uncommon for individuals to overshoot the Estrogen sweet spot, and tank their Estrogen without even knowing it. You may not even need anywhere close to 200mg/wk, so an AI could likely be avoided altogether if you end up needing a lower Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Insane productivity, like coming out of depression (I wasn't depressed) almost and looking around and realizing all the stuff I've been neglecting to do, then doing it immediately because why not. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Not looking looking significant muscle gain, more interested in strength, slight increase in aggression, increase competitiveness, faster recovery, and overall athletic performance. Some can bind with SHBG, consequently freeing up more Testosterone to be used in tissues. Thus making your current dose of Testosterone work better. Some can antagonize Estrogen, consequently reducing your need for an AI. This may even give you more wiggle room to increase your Testosterone dose even higher without needing an AI. 6' 1" male at ~169 Does anybody take 200mg of test cyp per week? Scan this QR code to download the app now. Even with the Test E, after his first couple shots, will there be as much test circulating in his system as there will be once the drug has fully saturated in the blood stream 5 weeks later in the cycle? ~15% body fat if I had to guess. If you don't need an AI though and your body is extremely efficient at balancing androgens relative to estrogens, then by all means, push the Testosterone Cookie Notice

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